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there's a whole fleet of them look on

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it was basically a cube with inside of

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this is david marlar ufo researcher and

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast as always my name is andy and

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special treat for you today i've got dan

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jumping on this one with me dan how are

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you doing

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i'm great thank you it's uh it's nice to

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be here and especially to meet uh

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today's guest

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yeah you only jump on me with the big

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ones don't you that's as everyone knows

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so uh

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that's it um but yes we have youtuber

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author retired f-16 pilot father among

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many other things i have chris leto on

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the pod with us today chris how are we

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yeah excellent great to be here is it

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lito or leto

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i don't really know how to say it

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perfectly i think it's leto is the the

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finnish pronunciation but i guess later

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either orthodoxy and that's fine yeah i

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mean that's like me i still don't know

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my surname is mcgrillen which even me

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saying that on the podcast

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most listeners still would have

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understood what i've just said but i

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don't know if it's m small c capital g

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or m then all the small letters so if

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anyone out there knows people will get

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in touch with me that would be great if

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you could tell me how to spell my sun

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name after 35 years it'd be fantastic um

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but listen chris you are someone who it

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just seems especially in the last kind

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of six months or so has become really

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prominent in the ufo uap community for

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all sorts of reasons um

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you are going to be on rhine sprague's

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podcast in the coming days or week or if

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you're listening to this in the future

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it's been go and check that one out

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we're friends with ryan sprague

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somewhere in the skies and uh yeah

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ryan's introduced you as being on his

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podcast as almost a rebuttal to his

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previous guest that was mick west we are

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not going to try and make this a

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conversation all about mick and his his

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crazy theories and stuff we're going to

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focus on you and people finding out

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about yourself chris um i always like to

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your early life and your background and

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kind of what got you to the point of of

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joining the military and getting to what

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sorry i have discord i'll break right

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let me turn off my discord sorry man no

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like the beeping i heard it uh

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i i didn't actually hear it no it's fine

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or listen chris we could leave this

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button and we could say is that discord

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that yeah the discord

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patreons but i think i'll just talk to

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the patreons you know i'm still trying

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uh to reward patreons or make it make it

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gaining a huge amount of value just in

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feedback support you know just even the

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financial support helps just just cover

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all the monthly costs you know that you

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end up you end up incurring um so i

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like discord because i think it's very

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for the podcast as well so we'll leave

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that button and we'll put chris's links

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for his patreon and stuff within the

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the next hour and a half however long it

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may be so yeah chris early life tell us

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vietnam actually a conscientious

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objector was my dad you know he was in

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facilities sports teams it was when

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long career with ibm my dad set up

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systems essentially but then windows

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all a's and played the sports you know i

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had you know free reign or not free

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privileged if you will um life um

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which is is hard to fathom when you get

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to a point in your and you and you have

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future that is

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it's basically i got to that point where

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i just want a different path in my life

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get some discipline in my life and then

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this guy in my physics class he

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basically talked about the air force

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academy explained it to me throughout

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throughout the year and finally i just

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uh and and then went actually they let

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me in i went to the air force academy it

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was it was amazing actually amazing

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experience you know anybody that it's

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just so difficult anybody that goes and

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can make it through it's just just

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choose to make it through you know but

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once once they do that or for whatever

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you know you do end up a different um

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person at the end uh i think in a lot of

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ways better you know but

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didn't have a normal college experience

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you know you basically i'm not i met a

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lot of my friends on the tour pad it's

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basically when you get in trouble uh if

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you miss if you're 10 minutes late or

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something for a class you have to spend

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that the next weekend essentially

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marching uh back and forth with a

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plastic rifle uh 11 hours actually

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so there's some just crazy uh

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punishments etcetera uh but met some

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amazing people there that the nft guy

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was talking talking with you about he

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he actually my buddy jimmy he actually

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you have almost a free ticket into pilot

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training not a free ticket but they they

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do use those slots first um really

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academy you you don't have a guaranteed

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video games all the time which helped a

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lot i was like a side video game addict

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my buddy on on the internet somehow he

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was able to set up doom uh jay abney

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he makes a game of gods of olympus

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amazing game now

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helped me through pilot training um

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pilot training

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and got a f-16 slot

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which basically which is pretty cool to

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be flying any kind of plane aircraft let

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alone an f-16 um and between that as

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well now but did you have any interest

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in ufos are you aps aliens like that

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growing up or was that something that's

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kind of came later in life

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looked into nothing i considered it all

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you know essentially just fake or you

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disingenuine yeah you know because i i

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really i went when i went to the air

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force academy um

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actually i really liked chemistry i grew

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up at my at my high school i really

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liked chemistry

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um i just i remember as a young kid

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being told by many of the people around

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me you know it's kind of a religious

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methodist area i grew up in

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um just as a kid you know you're like

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laying in bed at your first sleepover

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you know and the guy's like you know you

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don't believe in god and i'm like

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no and he's like you're gonna go to hell

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you know

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i just remember that from a very

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uh uh early early age uh and it keeps

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you get you just keep getting reminded

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of that like constantly you know

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everybody god bless you i mean

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everything you know if you're not

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religious it's difficult to understand

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growing up in a religious um society you

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know and i really feel like you know i

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say i was oppressed

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and people maybe laugh about that you

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know but i think it is i think it's

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definitely oppression i thought

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um

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and so at any rate i always felt the

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need to find out the truth you know i

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was like you know am i really surrounded

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by

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all these people who can see these say

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they see these things that are invisible

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you know i i realistically thought they

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were just all crazy like literally

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insane but if you think everyone else is

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insane then chances are it's you that

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actually is insane you know like if

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there's not an in the room

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chances are it's you you know so

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and so i didn't

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yeah i was just very interested in

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finding the truth uh and so that's what

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what drew me to chemistry and and

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physics would have also been

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i think if i had to do it over again i

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probably would have picked um something

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more leaning towards physics because i

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actually was a material scientist uh

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which was a degree which is combines

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chemistry and physics

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um kind of together uh you know that's

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where your materials kind of kind of uh

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meet i guess

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um

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and so that's what really drew me to

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that if i had to do it again i may lean

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more towards the physics you know

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knowing what i knowing what i know now

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but chemistry is also very very handy

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and i took a lot of biology classes you

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know biochemistry

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um you know all those classes are just

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mind-blowing you know like i love the

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youtubers that blew my mind

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um you know i just look up to those guys

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so much like vsauce

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but any of these advanced classes you

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know if you really go into biochemistry

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and if you know if you take a college

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level class like a serious class on

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biochemistry

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what i took away from that is it's like

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unbelievably complicated and we really

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we really don't know what's going on you

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know we have these we we say this like

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the krebs process

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and we and we say all these things but

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you know i've seen how they got the

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information

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um

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and it's a lot of it's just kind of a

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guess right and and just trying to fill

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you know you're looking at just it's

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what i've argued in my last video you

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know i think we're physically looking

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into other dimensions so it's

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it's not so easy

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yeah we're definitely going to get to

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that last video in a little bit yeah and

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it's funny you mentioned about uh like

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physics class i i mentioned online

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recently but i growing up always had the

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intention of taking physics having an

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interest in space and all that kind of

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stuff i wouldn't have been particularly

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good i wasn't gifted gifted

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mathematically and i think you kind of

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have to be especially from a physics

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point of view i ended up just taking

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chemistry because it sounded more fun

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than biology but the reason i didn't

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take physics was i i got to what you

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would call high school it's secondary

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school in the uk or scotland and um we

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got like a tester class where you go in

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for an hour and the teacher essentially

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essentially gets to pitch the the class

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to you and i remember he was a star trek

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geek and he was telling us all this

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stuff and it sounded great and he turned

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down to the class and this one moment

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changed the course of my education where

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he said

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you know it's children like you who will

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grow up to be the scientists of the

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future who are going to redirect

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asteroids and comets heading towards the

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earth and they mentioned this one and i

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just remember thinking that sounds like

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a lot of responsibility that i don't

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necessarily

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i went the other way yeah yeah

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that's when i was going i was like yeah

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that's that's not for me someone else

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can deal with that i am not dealing with

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some bruce willis armageddon level stuff

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here so um i think i made the right

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choice and

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now a podcast i've never been

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represented with the question fully you

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know yeah

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i disagree actually andy um

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i think that you know the only reason

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like smarter people are are smarter um

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is they just think about it more and

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more and you know it's um

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it's like any muscle

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you know i think most people just think

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about their sports team you know or

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trading money or you know they're just

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not

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uh processing because it's difficult

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right you know when i remember my first

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physics class man it's it's extremely

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hard and we had

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this lady you know

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let's call her mrs smith you know

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you know

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big big lady thick glasses

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um and she would sit up there on this

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you know

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grease projectors did you have those

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yeah yeah yeah um but she was so cool

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and she would just like blow your mind

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with these physics you know these

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physics proofs you know very simple

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uh but very complicated actually you

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know force equals ma you i mean those

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things are not

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it's not so intuitive when you really

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get into the vector math and all that

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stuff um

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but i think it's kind of a disservice

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when

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aptitude you know or don't don't think

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they have the aptitude

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and i would say well have you tried you

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know um

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[Music]

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you can see a lot of this

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yeah you can see a lot of your education

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that's reflected in obviously what you

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went on to do as a pilot and not just

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anyone can become a pilot and we've

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heard a lot recently about trained

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observers and how highly skilled pilots

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are which which seems a bit obvious but

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it's it's true um you you are highly

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skilled it's not just a case of here's a

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test you pass it you get to be a pilot

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there's a lot of people go for these and

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it's it narrows down to a very small

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field and these people get to go and fly

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very expensive a very expensive aircraft

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um as as an f-16 pilot though what sort

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of things were you doing because where

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you're

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in foreign countries was it missions is

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it

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as as a layman i would like to know what

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it was you've done on an f-16 yeah you

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know um you know how do you know a

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fighter pilots at the party

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you know he'll tell you

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uh

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yeah i would say that i had an amazing

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career really did you know one of the

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reasons is i wanted to

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like i said a different life a

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challenging life

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um and so

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and one that you get to travel around i

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really like traveling i love seeing

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different points of view

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different cultures

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so i really had a

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a varied

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outside of the u.s most of the time to

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be honest you know

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my first career my i was trained in

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phoenix that's where i met my wife uh

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and then we i moved to

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south korea that was my first assignment

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uh for a year

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and then i met her in italy so got to

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fly in italy and now those are really

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just that first year in south korea and

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then the next three years in italy those

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are really my only like operational

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fighting tours you know where you

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actually would go out from there i

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actually went deployed from italy to

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iraq in 2005

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and did like a five month tour there

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um

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and so that's my only one and only

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really combat deployment you know you

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after that

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i went to alaska and then from then on

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it was basically training you know i

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really

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i just didn't agree with all the with

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with the way the wars were

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were going i didn't believe that going

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there and and shooting people or blowing

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them up would really

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fix anything or solve any issues uh you

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know you when i was there you definitely

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there's a motivation you really want to

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you want to help you know you really

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want to win you don't want all of this

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to have been for nothing

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and you go there and you try really hard

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but at the end of the day you know what

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are we really doing we're just blowing

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stuff up you know if you're going to

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raid people's houses with helicopters

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and punch through the front door

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you know are you really going to build a

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whatever you're trying to build a

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democracy in a foreign country so

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i don't know i i just thought um

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it wasn't really what i was interested

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in you know i i i was i thought it'd be

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more advanced you know like protecting

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uh europe i really i liked the nato um i

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love nato you know i believe that like

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keeping russia okay at bay all right

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this dictatorship right on the east

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which took over crimea essentially um i

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think that is where we should be

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focusing our energy

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um i also don't even agree that we

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should be picking this giant this fight

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with with china you know i think

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ideologically it's not necessary

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i don't know if it's even required but i

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see this put you know just getting

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pushed from from in the militaries you

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know

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but

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we don't have to fight with china you

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know they're like our biggest trading

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partner so why would we pick this giant

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war with our biggest trading partner you

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know it just doesn't make any sense um

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so i don't think it's necessary and i

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don't think they necessarily have the

546
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same imperialistic views historically

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you know china's been around for like

548
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seven thousand years how many thousand

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years

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uh they built a giant wall you know to

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keep everybody out i don't know if if

552
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it's necessarily like you know the red

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wall is just gonna come and clean

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everybody over you know but

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whatever yeah yeah no no that's not

556
00:18:49,510 --> 00:18:46,320
aggressive into controversial uh world

557
00:18:51,590 --> 00:18:49,520
politics um but so anyway uh but i

558
00:18:53,590 --> 00:18:51,600
really liked uh training i thought it

559
00:18:56,070 --> 00:18:53,600
was awesome i loved working with with

560
00:18:59,190 --> 00:18:56,080
the people i loved preparing them uh to

561
00:19:01,590 --> 00:18:59,200
be more survivable uh and more capable

562
00:19:04,310 --> 00:19:01,600
um in combat you know to

563
00:19:05,830 --> 00:19:04,320
to preparing our guys essentially um and

564
00:19:08,150 --> 00:19:05,840
then finally i was just like they kept

565
00:19:10,470 --> 00:19:08,160
offering me amazing assignments uh and i

566
00:19:12,870 --> 00:19:10,480
got to go to turkey so i went and

567
00:19:14,470 --> 00:19:12,880
learned turkish for a year at in uh

568
00:19:15,750 --> 00:19:14,480
defense language institute it's in

569
00:19:17,830 --> 00:19:15,760
monterey

570
00:19:19,590 --> 00:19:17,840
uh that was after alaska

571
00:19:21,590 --> 00:19:19,600
and that was just unbelievable um

572
00:19:23,110 --> 00:19:21,600
amazing teachers you know they just

573
00:19:25,350 --> 00:19:23,120
every day it was like

574
00:19:26,710 --> 00:19:25,360
out eight to ten hours of turkish and

575
00:19:27,909 --> 00:19:26,720
they just you learn it you learn the

576
00:19:30,310 --> 00:19:27,919
culture

577
00:19:32,390 --> 00:19:30,320
uh and then i went to turkey and flew in

578
00:19:33,750 --> 00:19:32,400
this uh in one of the squadrons for two

579
00:19:35,909 --> 00:19:33,760
and a half years so i was just an

580
00:19:39,270 --> 00:19:35,919
instructor they called me hojam you know

581
00:19:42,310 --> 00:19:39,280
which means like uh hoja is like a guide

582
00:19:44,470 --> 00:19:42,320
or instructor in turkish um

583
00:19:46,630 --> 00:19:44,480
and you know i played a lot of golf on

584
00:19:49,270 --> 00:19:46,640
this really terrible golf course and i

585
00:19:51,110 --> 00:19:49,280
still hate golf and i'm terrible at it

586
00:19:53,510 --> 00:19:51,120
but that was an amazing experience it's

587
00:19:55,350 --> 00:19:53,520
it's and it's unfortunate because

588
00:19:57,990 --> 00:19:55,360
that squadron i was in actually was like

589
00:19:59,830 --> 00:19:58,000
the center of the air part of the coup

590
00:20:01,669 --> 00:19:59,840
and so i knew

591
00:20:04,230 --> 00:20:01,679
at least five of the guys that went went

592
00:20:05,750 --> 00:20:04,240
to jail you know they all had like

593
00:20:07,750 --> 00:20:05,760
two-year-old girls they all had

594
00:20:09,990 --> 00:20:07,760
daughters um that's a fighter pod thing

595
00:20:11,669 --> 00:20:10,000
also um

596
00:20:13,190 --> 00:20:11,679
yeah great dudes but they disappeared

597
00:20:15,430 --> 00:20:13,200
you know after that so

598
00:20:16,549 --> 00:20:15,440
that was crazy simon amazing uh and then

599
00:20:19,510 --> 00:20:16,559
after

600
00:20:21,350 --> 00:20:19,520
uh turkey i went back to phoenix

601
00:20:23,909 --> 00:20:21,360
and there i had my back crushed

602
00:20:26,390 --> 00:20:23,919
basically uh i uh herniated discs in my

603
00:20:28,149 --> 00:20:26,400
lower back that finally came to root um

604
00:20:30,789 --> 00:20:28,159
i think all fighter pilots at least that

605
00:20:33,029 --> 00:20:30,799
i know of with rare exceptions have

606
00:20:36,149 --> 00:20:33,039
either neck or back issues just from all

607
00:20:37,909 --> 00:20:36,159
the g's so like our seat is candid back

608
00:20:39,990 --> 00:20:37,919
you know the vipers can it back like 30

609
00:20:41,909 --> 00:20:40,000
degrees uh because they couldn't fit it

610
00:20:43,190 --> 00:20:41,919
in right that's why they handed it back

611
00:20:44,789 --> 00:20:43,200
all right okay

612
00:20:46,950 --> 00:20:44,799
yeah so i think we have mostly back

613
00:20:48,870 --> 00:20:46,960
issues but the f-15 guys you know their

614
00:20:50,950 --> 00:20:48,880
seats just straight up and down

615
00:20:52,470 --> 00:20:50,960
and i they mostly have neck issues you

616
00:20:54,470 --> 00:20:52,480
know but usually it's kind of a

617
00:20:55,990 --> 00:20:54,480
combination um

618
00:20:58,789 --> 00:20:56,000
so in phoenix i was kind of down that's

619
00:20:59,669 --> 00:20:58,799
that's the where we do the initial basic

620
00:21:01,350 --> 00:20:59,679
training

621
00:21:04,390 --> 00:21:01,360
but there it was really exciting i got

622
00:21:06,549 --> 00:21:04,400
into simulators so i was lucky enough to

623
00:21:08,870 --> 00:21:06,559
run the simulator contract

624
00:21:10,390 --> 00:21:08,880
for two years and so

625
00:21:12,950 --> 00:21:10,400
basically i was able to get into the

626
00:21:15,669 --> 00:21:12,960
software how we make simulators

627
00:21:16,630 --> 00:21:15,679
how you uh how you come up with line

628
00:21:18,070 --> 00:21:16,640
items you know how you're going to

629
00:21:21,029 --> 00:21:18,080
slowly improve them

630
00:21:22,710 --> 00:21:21,039
uh and then you do all the maintenance

631
00:21:25,590 --> 00:21:22,720
and we came up with some pretty pretty

632
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:25,600
cool programs uh to train people uh i

633
00:21:27,909 --> 00:21:26,730
think novel um

634
00:21:29,669 --> 00:21:27,919
[Music]

635
00:21:31,590 --> 00:21:29,679
yeah it was that was a great the

636
00:21:33,190 --> 00:21:31,600
proudest i was probably the the coolest

637
00:21:36,310 --> 00:21:33,200
thing i did um

638
00:21:37,990 --> 00:21:36,320
or a single thing was at that base

639
00:21:40,710 --> 00:21:38,000
uh the f-35s you know that's the

640
00:21:43,270 --> 00:21:40,720
training base as well as the f-16s um

641
00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:43,280
but the f-35s you need someone to train

642
00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:44,880
against right you need someone in the

643
00:21:47,990 --> 00:21:46,400
air ideally

644
00:21:49,510 --> 00:21:48,000
to practice to be that red we call it

645
00:21:50,950 --> 00:21:49,520
the red air right you got blue air as

646
00:21:53,350 --> 00:21:50,960
our team and then you need someone in

647
00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:53,360
the air on the other team uh to practice

648
00:21:57,990 --> 00:21:55,440
that red air and so i really loved that

649
00:21:59,750 --> 00:21:58,000
mission that's where i analyzed

650
00:22:01,510 --> 00:21:59,760
all the bad guys

651
00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:01,520
what their systems could do i went into

652
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:05,200
the the nsa uh uh sorry i went into

653
00:22:08,789 --> 00:22:07,200
nasic not the nsa

654
00:22:10,390 --> 00:22:08,799
when the cia got to go to all these cool

655
00:22:12,630 --> 00:22:10,400
places um

656
00:22:14,310 --> 00:22:12,640
and you really get into the mind of

657
00:22:15,990 --> 00:22:14,320
what is the enemy what can they do what

658
00:22:17,830 --> 00:22:16,000
are they capable of and how do their

659
00:22:20,789 --> 00:22:17,840
systems work and then you pretend to be

660
00:22:22,390 --> 00:22:20,799
those guys as the red air right to train

661
00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:22,400
our guys you're like the the practice

662
00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:23,760
squad

663
00:22:28,390 --> 00:22:26,720
better the team is right so that's why i

664
00:22:31,510 --> 00:22:28,400
really enjoyed that uh

665
00:22:33,430 --> 00:22:31,520
that as well but at um at luke uh what

666
00:22:34,950 --> 00:22:33,440
we were able to do is since

667
00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:34,960
the problem was they were running out of

668
00:22:38,070 --> 00:22:36,240
um

669
00:22:40,390 --> 00:22:38,080
planes to to fight against so they were

670
00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:40,400
stealing f-16 lines

671
00:22:43,190 --> 00:22:42,240
so they're cannibalizing from the f-16

672
00:22:45,110 --> 00:22:43,200
training

673
00:22:46,470 --> 00:22:45,120
um which was really hurting because

674
00:22:48,310 --> 00:22:46,480
everybody's hurting no one has fighter

675
00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:48,320
pilots around the world they all

676
00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:49,679
at least in the west

677
00:22:52,870 --> 00:22:50,880
they've all

678
00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:52,880
basically run

679
00:22:56,789 --> 00:22:54,799
but then so basically what we were able

680
00:22:59,669 --> 00:22:56,799
to do is use the link 16 that data link

681
00:23:02,789 --> 00:22:59,679
network uh and pretend to

682
00:23:05,190 --> 00:23:02,799
make it look like a real aircraft um so

683
00:23:06,149 --> 00:23:05,200
basically populate a link on the track

684
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:06,159
on the link

685
00:23:11,190 --> 00:23:08,400
and fly it around so actually train the

686
00:23:13,750 --> 00:23:11,200
f-35 guys i mean it doesn't work um

687
00:23:14,950 --> 00:23:13,760
it you know it helps in like one little

688
00:23:16,710 --> 00:23:14,960
sliver

689
00:23:18,789 --> 00:23:16,720
uh but i i was very happy with it

690
00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:18,799
because it was free and we were able to

691
00:23:24,470 --> 00:23:21,360
use equipment that we already had

692
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:24,480
um and what it was is it was um

693
00:23:27,909 --> 00:23:25,919
the issue holding it back was an

694
00:23:30,390 --> 00:23:27,919
operational problem it wasn't like it

695
00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:30,400
wasn't because of money i guess people

696
00:23:32,789 --> 00:23:31,520
always say it's money you know they ran

697
00:23:35,190 --> 00:23:32,799
out of funding

698
00:23:36,950 --> 00:23:35,200
um but like this guy called me

699
00:23:38,390 --> 00:23:36,960
it's called lvc they tried to implement

700
00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:38,400
this program where we actually train

701
00:23:42,950 --> 00:23:41,520
with simulators uh with live aircraft

702
00:23:45,430 --> 00:23:42,960
um but they can't get to it right it's

703
00:23:46,789 --> 00:23:45,440
difficult to get to the final solution

704
00:23:48,390 --> 00:23:46,799
so they call me and they're like well

705
00:23:50,310 --> 00:23:48,400
what if i gave this random guy what if i

706
00:23:51,990 --> 00:23:50,320
gave you 10 million dollars you know

707
00:23:53,269 --> 00:23:52,000
like the government i think it was just

708
00:23:54,789 --> 00:23:53,279
spitballing but they had obviously 10

709
00:23:56,470 --> 00:23:54,799
million dollars to put around and i was

710
00:23:57,350 --> 00:23:56,480
like i can do nothing with it you know

711
00:23:59,029 --> 00:23:57,360
nothing

712
00:24:01,269 --> 00:23:59,039
um he's like well what do you need i'm

713
00:24:02,830 --> 00:24:01,279
like i need you just to use what we have

714
00:24:05,110 --> 00:24:02,840
you know just use it

715
00:24:06,789 --> 00:24:05,120
um i don't know i i heard that it's

716
00:24:08,870 --> 00:24:06,799
still going on but anyway long

717
00:24:11,350 --> 00:24:08,880
discussion on that sorry no no that's

718
00:24:13,269 --> 00:24:11,360
fine and like that's you've just retired

719
00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:13,279
in 2020 haven't you so that's that's

720
00:24:18,630 --> 00:24:16,080
spanning what 15 20 years career there

721
00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:18,640
you've talked about uh 20 years yeah the

722
00:24:22,870 --> 00:24:20,480
the just the final one was the tactical

723
00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:22,880
leadership program in nato

724
00:24:27,590 --> 00:24:25,200
uh and and that was that was really the

725
00:24:29,909 --> 00:24:27,600
the capstone so enjoyable you know all

726
00:24:31,510 --> 00:24:29,919
the fighters coming from around nato uh

727
00:24:32,710 --> 00:24:31,520
the the countries that are involved you

728
00:24:33,909 --> 00:24:32,720
know uk

729
00:24:36,070 --> 00:24:33,919
um

730
00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:36,080
we got less fighters you know is your

731
00:24:39,510 --> 00:24:38,159
money dwindled um but

732
00:24:41,110 --> 00:24:39,520
working with all the nations as well

733
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:41,120
right so they bring in they come

734
00:24:46,310 --> 00:24:43,440
together as a team with their planes

735
00:24:48,149 --> 00:24:46,320
and their maintainers uh for three weeks

736
00:24:50,549 --> 00:24:48,159
and then they fly with the same people

737
00:24:51,669 --> 00:24:50,559
every day and this uh and this course

738
00:24:53,350 --> 00:24:51,679
that we built

739
00:24:55,269 --> 00:24:53,360
uh and it's excellent program it was

740
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:55,279
amazing so that was really the capstone

741
00:24:58,630 --> 00:24:56,880
and that's what got us back to europe so

742
00:25:01,029 --> 00:24:58,640
we were living in spain on the last

743
00:25:03,430 --> 00:25:01,039
assignment and just love europe love how

744
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:03,440
um how laid-back it is i think it's

745
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:05,520
really focused more on a level playing

746
00:25:08,149 --> 00:25:06,400
field

747
00:25:10,310 --> 00:25:08,159
um you know there there is really high

748
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:10,320
taxes but you know also the

749
00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:11,919
the poor people is

750
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:13,600
there's much less as well you know i

751
00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:14,880
think it's just

752
00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:16,880
it just cuts off the top and the bottom

753
00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:18,320
you know of uh

754
00:25:22,390 --> 00:25:20,400
uh of society so

755
00:25:23,590 --> 00:25:22,400
we we looked around and we really like

756
00:25:25,269 --> 00:25:23,600
um

757
00:25:27,110 --> 00:25:25,279
portugal uh it was we were either gonna

758
00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:27,120
live in spain or portugal and then just

759
00:25:30,870 --> 00:25:29,360
decided on portugal it's people are so

760
00:25:32,310 --> 00:25:30,880
friendly and they're welcoming to

761
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:32,320
outsiders

762
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:34,559
yeah no that's amazing surfing

763
00:25:38,789 --> 00:25:36,640
that time frame you're talking about we

764
00:25:40,230 --> 00:25:38,799
know now that obviously in 2004 there

765
00:25:43,990 --> 00:25:40,240
was the incident with the princeton

766
00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:44,000
nimitz in 2015 2019 and there's been all

767
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:45,840
these other incidents was there ever

768
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:48,240
anything you heard of in your time in

769
00:25:53,669 --> 00:25:50,640
that 20 years and it might just be a no

770
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:53,679
to do with ufos uap it just was ever

771
00:25:57,430 --> 00:25:55,440
talked about in the military from a

772
00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:57,440
european point of view

773
00:26:02,549 --> 00:25:58,559
no

774
00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:02,559
about it i mean

775
00:26:05,590 --> 00:26:04,240
yeah

776
00:26:07,029 --> 00:26:05,600
and all that that's that's fine and i

777
00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:07,039
wonder that because that's interesting

778
00:26:11,909 --> 00:26:09,679
that so these these things are happening

779
00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:11,919
these events these incidents and these

780
00:26:16,470 --> 00:26:13,919
pilots are going up david fravor seeing

781
00:26:18,070 --> 00:26:16,480
what he's seeing and alex dietrich and

782
00:26:19,510 --> 00:26:18,080
all of these other people ryan graves

783
00:26:21,669 --> 00:26:19,520
and it just goes

784
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:21,679
it doesn't really travel that well you

785
00:26:24,789 --> 00:26:22,880
think it's quite an interesting

786
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:24,799
conversation but it stays pretty

787
00:26:29,350 --> 00:26:27,120
isolated um which is which is pretty

788
00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:29,360
cool in all at what point during this

789
00:26:33,990 --> 00:26:31,760
time was there still no interest in ufos

790
00:26:36,549 --> 00:26:34,000
from you and did that sort of happen

791
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:36,559
afterwards

792
00:26:40,149 --> 00:26:38,400
yeah so i guess i i didn't finish

793
00:26:43,029 --> 00:26:40,159
earlier but um

794
00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:43,039
so i i focused on physics and chemistry

795
00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:45,760
and really the main argument is

796
00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:48,159
the universe is just so so large right

797
00:26:51,909 --> 00:26:49,840
and we cannot travel faster than light

798
00:26:55,110 --> 00:26:51,919
nothing can travel faster than light so

799
00:26:57,029 --> 00:26:55,120
even if there is alien life out there

800
00:26:59,269 --> 00:26:57,039
as soon as it even heard about it or got

801
00:27:01,350 --> 00:26:59,279
any signals from us electromagnetic

802
00:27:02,710 --> 00:27:01,360
signals by the time they actually got

803
00:27:04,149 --> 00:27:02,720
here it would be

804
00:27:05,909 --> 00:27:04,159
hundreds of thousands or millions of

805
00:27:07,909 --> 00:27:05,919
years in the future right that was

806
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:07,919
basically the assumption i had and you

807
00:27:11,430 --> 00:27:09,600
know all the

808
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:11,440
the physicists that i that i read you

809
00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:13,200
know i read like stephen hawking i read

810
00:27:18,630 --> 00:27:14,400
uh

811
00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:18,640
several of his works on black holes um

812
00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:20,799
i read all of the major

813
00:27:24,549 --> 00:27:22,640
physics or physicists you know the

814
00:27:26,310 --> 00:27:24,559
mainstream physics you know even like

815
00:27:28,389 --> 00:27:26,320
carl sagan wasn't you know he didn't

816
00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:28,399
think there was any uh alien life at

817
00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:31,600
least not on not on earth um so i just i

818
00:27:34,789 --> 00:27:32,880
assumed that was it you know these are

819
00:27:36,070 --> 00:27:34,799
the smartest people we have according to

820
00:27:38,710 --> 00:27:36,080
to my thoughts

821
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:38,720
um and this is their wheelhouse and they

822
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:40,000
obviously have studied this their whole

823
00:27:43,990 --> 00:27:41,279
lives so

824
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:44,000
i'm just guessing they're correct

825
00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:45,760
and that's a fair assumption and i think

826
00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:47,679
that's why

827
00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:49,440
we still call it stigma but the general

828
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:52,000
public look at so many people like neil

829
00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:54,880
degrasse tyson professor brian cox

830
00:27:58,389 --> 00:27:56,559
name any other sort of you know

831
00:28:00,870 --> 00:27:58,399
high-profile scientist bill nye the

832
00:28:03,510 --> 00:28:00,880
science guy they generally talk down

833
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:03,520
ridicule or don't go into the discussion

834
00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:05,760
on alien life and the general consensus

835
00:28:10,149 --> 00:28:07,840
from these people tends to be no matter

836
00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:10,159
what sort of show they're on as they're

837
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:12,480
probably as alien life but it's never

838
00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:14,640
been here we haven't found it it's not

839
00:28:19,110 --> 00:28:16,480
visiting us it's way way off in the

840
00:28:20,789 --> 00:28:19,120
cosmos somewhere and for most people

841
00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:20,799
that's enough but then there's people

842
00:28:24,389 --> 00:28:22,640
like us who now have these podcasts and

843
00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:24,399
always want to know more and obviously

844
00:28:27,990 --> 00:28:25,760
we're going to get to the point where

845
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:28,000
your most recent youtube video was a

846
00:28:33,269 --> 00:28:30,720
really interesting 37 minute you know

847
00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:33,279
monologue almost which is obviously came

848
00:28:37,029 --> 00:28:35,039
full circle from from where you were

849
00:28:40,950 --> 00:28:37,039
previously so let's talk about the

850
00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:43,669
yes um so i started creating like i said

851
00:28:48,389 --> 00:28:46,960
in the in that last video you know um

852
00:28:50,389 --> 00:28:48,399
i don't i don't know why i started

853
00:28:52,549 --> 00:28:50,399
creating until just maybe this year you

854
00:28:54,389 --> 00:28:52,559
know a guy here asked

855
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:54,399
because i retired i'm hanging out with

856
00:28:57,510 --> 00:28:56,080
like there's an awesome expat community

857
00:29:00,149 --> 00:28:57,520
here you know so i immediately made all

858
00:29:01,430 --> 00:29:00,159
these awesome friends um and and one of

859
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:01,440
the guys asked me you know he's also

860
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:03,760
retired

861
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:04,960
why

862
00:29:11,590 --> 00:29:10,080
because at that time i was writing a

863
00:29:12,389 --> 00:29:11,600
book actually about the time i was in

864
00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:12,399
iraq

865
00:29:17,269 --> 00:29:14,240
i wrote that the first six months i

866
00:29:19,029 --> 00:29:17,279
retired um he's but he's like why and i

867
00:29:20,710 --> 00:29:19,039
and i went to give an answer you know to

868
00:29:22,710 --> 00:29:20,720
like reach for this answer and give it

869
00:29:24,710 --> 00:29:22,720
to him and i was like there's not a good

870
00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:24,720
answer like i don't know

871
00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:26,799
actually why and so

872
00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:28,960
well i i love to surf you know so i was

873
00:29:32,950 --> 00:29:30,720
like just for like a month you know i'm

874
00:29:34,470 --> 00:29:32,960
like sitting out there

875
00:29:36,310 --> 00:29:34,480
waiting for a board you know i try and

876
00:29:37,669 --> 00:29:36,320
surf a couple times a week just for

877
00:29:39,029 --> 00:29:37,679
fitness you know

878
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:39,039
and i just remember sitting out there

879
00:29:43,110 --> 00:29:41,520
and just like staring like why do i do

880
00:29:45,269 --> 00:29:43,120
this you know it's like

881
00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:45,279
hours a day you know just sitting there

882
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:46,880
especially writing a book man just so

883
00:29:50,710 --> 00:29:48,480
painful it's like

884
00:29:52,630 --> 00:29:50,720
two hours a day you know just only you

885
00:29:54,789 --> 00:29:52,640
there's no one to bounce any ideas off

886
00:29:56,789 --> 00:29:54,799
or anything um

887
00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:56,799
but i i just did it every day i don't i

888
00:29:59,909 --> 00:29:58,559
don't know um i guess i learned that

889
00:30:01,269 --> 00:29:59,919
from from brandon carter you know that

890
00:30:03,510 --> 00:30:01,279
guy i mentioned

891
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:03,520
yeah um and can i just ask chris the

892
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:04,799
book yes because people might be looking

893
00:30:08,470 --> 00:30:06,720
going oh chris little's written ufo

894
00:30:09,669 --> 00:30:08,480
books they're not it's fitness and

895
00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:09,679
crypto

896
00:30:14,389 --> 00:30:11,760
yeah originally i wanted i think i

897
00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:14,399
wanted to write the video that i

898
00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:15,760
released last

899
00:30:19,269 --> 00:30:17,440
last my last video that's what i wanted

900
00:30:21,269 --> 00:30:19,279
to write somehow i wanted to

901
00:30:22,950 --> 00:30:21,279
i didn't have the full idea of my brain

902
00:30:24,389 --> 00:30:22,960
but i was like maybe i'll start writing

903
00:30:25,830 --> 00:30:24,399
writing science fiction you know write

904
00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:25,840
like a science fiction

905
00:30:29,830 --> 00:30:27,840
um and then i'll somehow explain that

906
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:29,840
the worlds are interrelated or they can

907
00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:30,960
like jump through dimensions or

908
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:32,320
something

909
00:30:35,909 --> 00:30:34,320
and then i tried writing science fiction

910
00:30:37,350 --> 00:30:35,919
i was fiction i was like i cannot do

911
00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:37,360
this you know

912
00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:39,120
i couldn't even actually try that's the

913
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:40,159
problem you know once you can start

914
00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:41,760
writing something maybe maybe it would

915
00:30:46,149 --> 00:30:43,919
work it's all practice and editing

916
00:30:49,029 --> 00:30:46,159
um and so the only thing i could write

917
00:30:51,909 --> 00:30:49,039
is uh stay on target and that's really i

918
00:30:53,909 --> 00:30:51,919
i watched brandon carter and all of his

919
00:30:55,990 --> 00:30:53,919
things were just do it every day right

920
00:30:57,909 --> 00:30:56,000
the neuron passageway the reason why you

921
00:30:59,269 --> 00:30:57,919
get addicted to things is you know once

922
00:31:00,549 --> 00:30:59,279
you get that thought

923
00:31:02,789 --> 00:31:00,559
uh it goes through your neural

924
00:31:04,710 --> 00:31:02,799
passageway right the first time but when

925
00:31:06,389 --> 00:31:04,720
you have it again it it actually

926
00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:06,399
thickens the neurons you know this is

927
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:08,240
according to a video i remember back in

928
00:31:12,950 --> 00:31:10,799
2014 from brandon carter um it actually

929
00:31:15,669 --> 00:31:12,960
thickens the neuron so each time you you

930
00:31:16,870 --> 00:31:15,679
think that or do that action it's easier

931
00:31:19,029 --> 00:31:16,880
right that's why it's so easy to like

932
00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:19,039
brush your teeth all right or people

933
00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:20,399
that work out all the time it's so much

934
00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:22,960
easier um just because that that neural

935
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:25,760
pathway um you know is being being

936
00:31:29,669 --> 00:31:28,080
thickened so that was really his

937
00:31:31,909 --> 00:31:29,679
uh and i am proud of the science

938
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:31,919
actually there is some cool science i

939
00:31:36,710 --> 00:31:34,960
like in and stay on target um it's just

940
00:31:38,710 --> 00:31:36,720
there's so much in that book it's just

941
00:31:40,870 --> 00:31:38,720
so many theories packed in

942
00:31:42,070 --> 00:31:40,880
uh and ultimately i wanted i made it as

943
00:31:43,190 --> 00:31:42,080
a fitness book because that's what i was

944
00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:43,200
doing at the time and that's what i

945
00:31:47,110 --> 00:31:45,440
could focus on um so it's called stay on

946
00:31:50,230 --> 00:31:47,120
target use fighter pilot techniques to

947
00:31:51,909 --> 00:31:50,240
get and stay in shape uh from 2015

948
00:31:55,509 --> 00:31:51,919
um and then

949
00:31:57,269 --> 00:31:55,519
in 2017 i wrote military millionaire

950
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:57,279
and really the reason for that was to

951
00:32:01,269 --> 00:32:00,000
help or try and show these young like

952
00:32:03,269 --> 00:32:01,279
airmen

953
00:32:04,389 --> 00:32:03,279
like you you can be rich like you can do

954
00:32:06,630 --> 00:32:04,399
it like you can become financially

955
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:06,640
independent uh but you have to change

956
00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:08,240
your behavior that you're doing right

957
00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:10,480
now you know like you have to focus on

958
00:32:13,909 --> 00:32:12,320
these things saving learning about

959
00:32:15,269 --> 00:32:13,919
interest learning how to buy a home you

960
00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:15,279
know so

961
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:17,360
uh i felt that was the best the easiest

962
00:32:21,350 --> 00:32:19,200
thing i could say that i

963
00:32:22,710 --> 00:32:21,360
i felt had the most visible proof you

964
00:32:23,669 --> 00:32:22,720
know from my own life you know i was

965
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:23,679
able to

966
00:32:28,630 --> 00:32:25,600
i stayed on target you know if you will

967
00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:28,640
and really worked out um a certain way

968
00:32:33,509 --> 00:32:31,200
kind of using a scientific method

969
00:32:36,230 --> 00:32:33,519
and it worked and then i did military

970
00:32:37,430 --> 00:32:36,240
finance you know i did financial uh

971
00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:37,440
planning if you will i learned from the

972
00:32:40,830 --> 00:32:39,360
air force academy instructors

973
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:40,840
and it worked you know i was able to

974
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:42,960
retire uh at 43

975
00:32:46,630 --> 00:32:45,360
um so i wrote those books but ultimately

976
00:32:47,430 --> 00:32:46,640
it's about this

977
00:32:51,509 --> 00:32:47,440
last

978
00:32:54,149 --> 00:32:51,519
started writing uh this next book is

979
00:32:56,870 --> 00:32:54,159
very it's a hard book it's uh

980
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:56,880
it was about my memoirs in in iraq so

981
00:33:00,470 --> 00:32:58,720
basically five months uh called the

982
00:33:01,590 --> 00:33:00,480
ghost of murder ali

983
00:33:03,029 --> 00:33:01,600
um

984
00:33:04,950 --> 00:33:03,039
and i i still don't even know if this

985
00:33:08,549 --> 00:33:04,960
guy was like real um but he was

986
00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:08,559
basically this supposed iraqi general

987
00:33:12,950 --> 00:33:10,640
he was an artillery general um before

988
00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:12,960
saddam this is the rumor

989
00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:14,080
and then

990
00:33:18,070 --> 00:33:16,080
after the war he still made it and now

991
00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:18,080
he he was traveling around iraq

992
00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:20,880
increasing the mortar strike accuracy uh

993
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:22,720
at certain bases this was this guy

994
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:24,880
mortar ali right it made intel said he

995
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:26,080
existed

996
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:27,679
um and so

997
00:33:31,110 --> 00:33:28,799
he also

998
00:33:33,909 --> 00:33:31,120
the guy lived right off base like

999
00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:33,919
literally like across the fence from the

1000
00:33:37,750 --> 00:33:36,480
from us you know uh and and they would

1001
00:33:39,909 --> 00:33:37,760
search his house and probably just

1002
00:33:41,669 --> 00:33:39,919
harass this guy uh but they could never

1003
00:33:43,909 --> 00:33:41,679
find him like in the act you know of

1004
00:33:45,430 --> 00:33:43,919
mortaring the base or whatever um so

1005
00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:45,440
it's kind of my interactions with this

1006
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:47,440
guy you know we got some border shot at

1007
00:33:50,950 --> 00:33:49,440
us and then uh blowing up a you know

1008
00:33:53,190 --> 00:33:50,960
like a truck

1009
00:33:55,029 --> 00:33:53,200
um yeah so those are the those are the

1010
00:33:56,310 --> 00:33:55,039
three books i'll release go to ghost of

1011
00:33:57,669 --> 00:33:56,320
mordor ali

1012
00:33:59,830 --> 00:33:57,679
um

1013
00:34:01,830 --> 00:33:59,840
when i can get around to maybe i need to

1014
00:34:03,190 --> 00:34:01,840
do a final edit and the longer you wait

1015
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:03,200
uh the longer you wait between your

1016
00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:05,120
final manuscript and then when you

1017
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:06,720
actually go to do your book supposedly

1018
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:07,679
it's better

1019
00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:09,119
so it's just a perfect excuse to

1020
00:34:14,230 --> 00:34:10,800
procrastinate

1021
00:34:15,589 --> 00:34:14,240
i still find it really interesting that

1022
00:34:18,069 --> 00:34:15,599
i mean you know we're talking about all

1023
00:34:20,790 --> 00:34:18,079
this stuff and it's bringing us right up

1024
00:34:22,629 --> 00:34:20,800
to now and only recently still

1025
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:22,639
you've you've really got into the ufo

1026
00:34:26,470 --> 00:34:24,720
subject it wasn't even this is the very

1027
00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:26,480
first take yeah that this is where

1028
00:34:29,829 --> 00:34:28,320
you've taken off though isn't it like

1029
00:34:31,589 --> 00:34:29,839
and it must be

1030
00:34:34,869 --> 00:34:31,599
is it surprising that this has just kind

1031
00:34:37,030 --> 00:34:34,879
of blown up the way it has undoubtedly

1032
00:34:39,829 --> 00:34:37,040
yeah without a doubt you know because

1033
00:34:41,430 --> 00:34:39,839
i i had my plan you know so my so to

1034
00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:41,440
actually get into finally uh the

1035
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:43,440
youtubing is you know obviously i have

1036
00:34:46,629 --> 00:34:45,280
three kids and they love youtube you

1037
00:34:48,389 --> 00:34:46,639
know and we play video games and we

1038
00:34:49,109 --> 00:34:48,399
watch people play video games

1039
00:34:51,430 --> 00:34:49,119
uh

1040
00:34:53,190 --> 00:34:51,440
et cetera you know and

1041
00:34:54,470 --> 00:34:53,200
and they've said i want to be youtubers

1042
00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:54,480
when i grow up you know i asked him what

1043
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:55,520
do you want to be one of them said

1044
00:34:58,950 --> 00:34:57,040
astronaut i was like sweet you know but

1045
00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:58,960
then all of them said youtuber you know

1046
00:35:02,710 --> 00:35:00,240
and as soon as one says youtube they're

1047
00:35:05,349 --> 00:35:02,720
all like yeah youtuber um and so i was

1048
00:35:07,030 --> 00:35:05,359
like you know i can do that you know uh

1049
00:35:08,790 --> 00:35:07,040
all you needs just start publishing

1050
00:35:10,390 --> 00:35:08,800
videos right and

1051
00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:10,400
and so that that kind of took off and

1052
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:11,520
actually it only took off because they

1053
00:35:15,670 --> 00:35:14,160
talked so much trash you know i have uh

1054
00:35:17,349 --> 00:35:15,680
my kids were just like dad where's the

1055
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:17,359
youtube channel you know now every time

1056
00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:18,720
i walk in and they're watching youtube

1057
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:20,400
they're like what about you dad you said

1058
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:21,520
you were gonna start

1059
00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:23,760
start a youtube channel uh so finally i

1060
00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:25,520
just started making videos once a week

1061
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:27,119
you know that was it like i made a pact

1062
00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:29,040
with myself i'm gonna release a video uh

1063
00:35:31,829 --> 00:35:30,720
once a week and it was on anything i was

1064
00:35:34,150 --> 00:35:31,839
interested in

1065
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:34,160
which was awesome you know um no one

1066
00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:35,839
watched the video or very few right

1067
00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:38,560
hundred maybe a couple hundred views um

1068
00:35:42,310 --> 00:35:40,160
at the most

1069
00:35:44,230 --> 00:35:42,320
uh but i was really into crypto uh and

1070
00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:44,240
new technology you know i love i love

1071
00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:46,320
elon musk i love tesla i love all the

1072
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:48,000
amazing things they've been able to do

1073
00:35:52,630 --> 00:35:50,400
and they're focused on sustainability uh

1074
00:35:55,750 --> 00:35:52,640
and renewability you know basically um

1075
00:35:57,270 --> 00:35:55,760
renaturing the world if we can

1076
00:35:59,670 --> 00:35:57,280
so i started focus on that and then i

1077
00:36:02,069 --> 00:35:59,680
got into a crypto and non-fungible

1078
00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:02,079
tokens which was i think it's just

1079
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:03,520
amazing technology it's going to change

1080
00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:05,680
the world for sure

1081
00:36:09,990 --> 00:36:07,920
yeah but again that was only 100 i had

1082
00:36:13,190 --> 00:36:10,000
uh so you need a thousand subscribers to

1083
00:36:14,950 --> 00:36:13,200
get monetized right yeah and so

1084
00:36:18,069 --> 00:36:14,960
after eight

1085
00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:18,079
after seven months i was at 643 you know

1086
00:36:22,870 --> 00:36:20,400
i was like okay you know i'll get there

1087
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:22,880
at after i make 55 videos you know i

1088
00:36:25,829 --> 00:36:24,480
thought it'd be i was hoping for 35 that

1089
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:25,839
was like in think media you know they're

1090
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:28,079
like make 35 videos and you make it

1091
00:36:33,670 --> 00:36:30,000
um it'll make it above a thousand you

1092
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:33,680
know when i was at like 30 i was at 34

1093
00:36:39,829 --> 00:36:36,720
actually uh i think the 35th video was

1094
00:36:42,390 --> 00:36:39,839
the one that actually uh you know

1095
00:36:43,349 --> 00:36:42,400
whatever went viral if you will

1096
00:36:45,670 --> 00:36:43,359
and

1097
00:36:47,829 --> 00:36:45,680
was that the the mcquest video where you

1098
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:47,839
were talking about his

1099
00:36:50,790 --> 00:36:49,200
well i'll i'll

1100
00:36:53,670 --> 00:36:50,800
let you talk about how you came across

1101
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:53,680
the the mcquest stuff and why you felt

1102
00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:54,480
so

1103
00:36:58,230 --> 00:36:55,920
passionately about it that you wanted to

1104
00:37:01,030 --> 00:36:58,240
kind of come back on that

1105
00:37:03,190 --> 00:37:01,040
well yeah well i did it did uh

1106
00:37:05,270 --> 00:37:03,200
start the channel to be honest because i

1107
00:37:07,510 --> 00:37:05,280
made a video before that on the three

1108
00:37:08,710 --> 00:37:07,520
videos you know um

1109
00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:08,720
where i couldn't believe it and that's

1110
00:37:13,349 --> 00:37:10,560
where really i i just couldn't deny it

1111
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:13,359
anymore you know i saw the videos in

1112
00:37:18,310 --> 00:37:17,040
uh 20 uh the end of last year

1113
00:37:20,390 --> 00:37:18,320
in november

1114
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:20,400
i think is when i actually i like just

1115
00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:22,320
came up and i was like i saw the lex

1116
00:37:25,589 --> 00:37:24,240
friedman um

1117
00:37:27,270 --> 00:37:25,599
and then fravor interview the lex

1118
00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:27,280
friedman fraver interview yeah and i

1119
00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:28,880
listened to it straight through you know

1120
00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:30,720
until like 2 a.m

1121
00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:32,880
uh and then i just like sat there you

1122
00:37:36,150 --> 00:37:34,800
know with my eyes open and i told

1123
00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:36,160
everybody you know my parents i'm like

1124
00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:38,320
there's aliens you know and and they're

1125
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:40,560
like you know they just look at you like

1126
00:37:44,710 --> 00:37:42,400
crazy and so i was like maybe there's

1127
00:37:46,710 --> 00:37:44,720
not aliens you know or

1128
00:37:49,030 --> 00:37:46,720
my wife's like yeah i knew of course you

1129
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:49,040
know it didn't faze her at all

1130
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:50,400
but then i didn't really believe it you

1131
00:37:53,589 --> 00:37:52,000
know i kind of just i was like i'll

1132
00:37:56,069 --> 00:37:53,599
ignore it i didn't put it think about

1133
00:37:57,510 --> 00:37:56,079
making youtube videos about it or

1134
00:37:58,470 --> 00:37:57,520
anything you know life just kind of went

1135
00:38:01,030 --> 00:37:58,480
on

1136
00:38:01,750 --> 00:38:01,040
i did walk around kind of looking around

1137
00:38:03,510 --> 00:38:01,760
up

1138
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:03,520
weirdly but

1139
00:38:08,230 --> 00:38:06,800
it wasn't until the 60 minutes came out

1140
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:08,240
you know and i guess maybe that's just

1141
00:38:11,750 --> 00:38:09,599
you need something like that like some

1142
00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:11,760
mainstream event so 60 minutes is on

1143
00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:14,560
there i see fravo again talking and now

1144
00:38:17,750 --> 00:38:16,240
uh dietrich is there you know so there's

1145
00:38:19,990 --> 00:38:17,760
somebody else

1146
00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:20,000
and i was like okay it's got to be legit

1147
00:38:23,349 --> 00:38:21,680
and then that's the first relay i'd ever

1148
00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:23,359
seen lou elizondo i just hadn't heard of

1149
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:25,680
him you know um

1150
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:27,839
and that's when i saw his statement on

1151
00:38:31,910 --> 00:38:30,160
what atip you know what they were seeing

1152
00:38:34,150 --> 00:38:31,920
what all these craft could do and yeah

1153
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:34,160
so that from there i made the video uh

1154
00:38:38,310 --> 00:38:35,440
about those three

1155
00:38:40,870 --> 00:38:38,320
three uap videos um but then

1156
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:40,880
a few people saw it as well uh but i met

1157
00:38:45,510 --> 00:38:43,040
a buddy here uh this guy barry he's from

1158
00:38:48,150 --> 00:38:45,520
the uk great great dude um

1159
00:38:49,510 --> 00:38:48,160
and he's like oh yeah hey man uh

1160
00:38:51,349 --> 00:38:49,520
i've been checking that out you know

1161
00:38:52,870 --> 00:38:51,359
there's a this guy said it's not true

1162
00:38:54,069 --> 00:38:52,880
you know it's uh

1163
00:38:55,510 --> 00:38:54,079
it's just a goose or something i was

1164
00:38:57,589 --> 00:38:55,520
like what and he's like yeah it's a

1165
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:57,599
goose this dude says it you know so he

1166
00:39:00,790 --> 00:38:59,280
pointed out and i was like a goose like

1167
00:39:02,550 --> 00:39:00,800
how is that a goose

1168
00:39:04,150 --> 00:39:02,560
uh and i'm like okay can't be a goose

1169
00:39:06,069 --> 00:39:04,160
you know and i go and i started watching

1170
00:39:07,589 --> 00:39:06,079
videos you know just spiraled up and

1171
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:07,599
then i made the video and that that

1172
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:08,640
pretty much

1173
00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:11,200
uh that hit for whatever reason well i

1174
00:39:15,750 --> 00:39:13,440
know there's a lot of frustration

1175
00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:15,760
in just the community about mick west

1176
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:18,880
and so the people shared it you know

1177
00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:21,119
now you've talked about your background

1178
00:39:26,069 --> 00:39:24,240
and your experience through school and

1179
00:39:26,950 --> 00:39:26,079
in college and the training that's gone

1180
00:39:27,910 --> 00:39:26,960
into

1181
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:27,920
how many

1182
00:39:32,550 --> 00:39:29,839
what sort of hours or what numbers can

1183
00:39:34,230 --> 00:39:32,560
you put on how much training you do

1184
00:39:35,990 --> 00:39:34,240
to get to a level where you know what

1185
00:39:39,270 --> 00:39:36,000
you're talking about and you probably

1186
00:39:42,150 --> 00:39:40,790
i guess know what i talk which what

1187
00:39:44,470 --> 00:39:42,160
you're talking about it's funny because

1188
00:39:46,069 --> 00:39:44,480
i was a safety officer you know and

1189
00:39:48,310 --> 00:39:46,079
there's basically like you can you can

1190
00:39:50,310 --> 00:39:48,320
see where the most accidents happen in a

1191
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:50,320
pilot's uh career

1192
00:39:54,069 --> 00:39:52,800
um and it's basically like um it's at a

1193
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:54,079
hundred hours

1194
00:39:56,870 --> 00:39:55,200
because they really just don't know

1195
00:39:58,310 --> 00:39:56,880
anything you know so they they're just

1196
00:39:59,910 --> 00:39:58,320
dangerous you know because they

1197
00:40:02,150 --> 00:39:59,920
physically don't know what they what

1198
00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:02,160
they need to know uh and but then it

1199
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:04,079
goes back down right the accidents and

1200
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:06,000
and then they're they're better

1201
00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:06,880
uh

1202
00:40:11,190 --> 00:40:08,480
quite good until they get to a thousand

1203
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:11,200
hours and then the rate climbs back up

1204
00:40:14,710 --> 00:40:13,280
right and then and then it goes back

1205
00:40:16,630 --> 00:40:14,720
down at a thousand hours a thousand

1206
00:40:19,349 --> 00:40:16,640
hours is maybe like you know it depends

1207
00:40:20,870 --> 00:40:19,359
eight seven to ten years of flying

1208
00:40:22,470 --> 00:40:20,880
um

1209
00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:22,480
so at that point they start thinking

1210
00:40:25,829 --> 00:40:24,400
they know what they know what they

1211
00:40:26,550 --> 00:40:25,839
what they they think they know

1212
00:40:28,230 --> 00:40:26,560
everything

1213
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:28,240
yeah they're getting cocky exactly yeah

1214
00:40:31,349 --> 00:40:29,680
and you can see it that you know there's

1215
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:31,359
well and you need people to lead right

1216
00:40:34,790 --> 00:40:32,880
we need people to lead

1217
00:40:36,069 --> 00:40:34,800
you know eight eight aircraft around

1218
00:40:37,750 --> 00:40:36,079
tell them where to go it's all like

1219
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:37,760
these plays you know you're basically

1220
00:40:41,829 --> 00:40:39,920
making intricate tactical plays if you

1221
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:41,839
can imagine it's more like american

1222
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:43,520
football you know you have a

1223
00:40:47,109 --> 00:40:45,040
play and everyone's going to execute it

1224
00:40:48,550 --> 00:40:47,119
and then you have these audibles

1225
00:40:49,990 --> 00:40:48,560
so you do need someone to lead but the

1226
00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:50,000
problem is then they start thinking they

1227
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:51,359
know everything

1228
00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:53,520
so you do get a spike again in accidents

1229
00:40:57,109 --> 00:40:55,280
and then once they realize oh you

1230
00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:57,119
know they have some scare or something

1231
00:40:59,990 --> 00:40:58,240
happens

1232
00:41:01,270 --> 00:41:00,000
they realize they're not you know that

1233
00:41:04,390 --> 00:41:01,280
they are uh

1234
00:41:06,309 --> 00:41:04,400
fatal or you know not mortal uh and then

1235
00:41:08,630 --> 00:41:06,319
it goes back down right so after that

1236
00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:08,640
after a thousand hours um

1237
00:41:11,270 --> 00:41:10,240
so probably after a thousand hours they

1238
00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:11,280
really know what they're talking about

1239
00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:12,880
that's what i would say once they get to

1240
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:14,880
that second scare when you know once

1241
00:41:18,790 --> 00:41:17,040
they're like oh they don't die you know

1242
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:18,800
and then they make it through

1243
00:41:22,630 --> 00:41:20,880
uh it's like a filter and then they get

1244
00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:22,640
to after that

1245
00:41:26,069 --> 00:41:24,560
so that that's that's quite a long time

1246
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:26,079
and and you've got people out there it's

1247
00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:29,040
well documented um mick worked on tony

1248
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:31,359
hawk's video game that was his that was

1249
00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:33,280
his background and listen let's even

1250
00:41:37,990 --> 00:41:34,960
talk about people like myself who

1251
00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:38,000
clearly has an interest in ufos i want

1252
00:41:43,109 --> 00:41:40,800
every video or picture i see to be of

1253
00:41:45,750 --> 00:41:43,119
some sort of exotic spacecraft not from

1254
00:41:47,589 --> 00:41:45,760
here or from here but not human and it's

1255
00:41:48,790 --> 00:41:47,599
just not the case i like to pride myself

1256
00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:48,800
on at least being able to look at

1257
00:41:53,589 --> 00:41:51,200
something and go that's a balloon that's

1258
00:41:55,589 --> 00:41:53,599
something else but i still don't tend to

1259
00:41:58,790 --> 00:41:55,599
know what i'm looking at so just just

1260
00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:58,800
yesterday i retweet a video and it was

1261
00:42:02,470 --> 00:42:00,480
very quickly a few people got in touch

1262
00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:02,480
and said actually it's a drone

1263
00:42:07,030 --> 00:42:04,560
but it did look just to me in a very

1264
00:42:09,030 --> 00:42:07,040
untrained eye it doesn't look cgi it

1265
00:42:11,829 --> 00:42:09,040
looks like something's there it's pretty

1266
00:42:14,309 --> 00:42:11,839
low down it's a big circle so yeah

1267
00:42:16,150 --> 00:42:14,319
someone tell me why this is fake and i

1268
00:42:17,990 --> 00:42:16,160
asked experts to kind of come back on

1269
00:42:19,510 --> 00:42:18,000
this kind of stuff and it's amazing the

1270
00:42:22,390 --> 00:42:19,520
community does get in touch really

1271
00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:22,400
quickly and is is great taking a here's

1272
00:42:27,510 --> 00:42:24,640
why it's this here's why it's not this

1273
00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:27,520
you get experts like yourself who can

1274
00:42:32,069 --> 00:42:29,760
tell you to a very very good degree of

1275
00:42:34,309 --> 00:42:32,079
accuracy like i watched on your your

1276
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:34,319
recent video where you can tell just by

1277
00:42:37,349 --> 00:42:36,079
the angle of something if you've got two

1278
00:42:39,270 --> 00:42:37,359
points you can tell the height the

1279
00:42:40,870 --> 00:42:39,280
distance all that kind of stuff

1280
00:42:43,589 --> 00:42:40,880
and and then you've got complete

1281
00:42:45,109 --> 00:42:43,599
amateurs like myself or others online

1282
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:45,119
trying to tell

1283
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:47,680
no this is why this is a spaceship from

1284
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:49,680
this planet or here's why it's traveling

1285
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:51,920
at this speed or here's why it's just a

1286
00:42:56,309 --> 00:42:53,520
camera artifact

1287
00:43:00,630 --> 00:42:58,710
i was just gonna say that as much as we

1288
00:43:02,470 --> 00:43:00,640
loved uh tony hawk growing up there

1289
00:43:05,109 --> 00:43:02,480
there were plenty of bugs in the physics

1290
00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:05,119
that i exploited for big multipliers so

1291
00:43:08,790 --> 00:43:06,720
you know the physics aren't perfect in

1292
00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:08,800
that game

1293
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:11,760
yeah and i used to like being able to

1294
00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:14,240
defy gravity and go up the area 51 level

1295
00:43:18,150 --> 00:43:16,079
was really good as well

1296
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:18,160
i always played 720 i don't did you guys

1297
00:43:22,309 --> 00:43:20,160
have that game at your uh

1298
00:43:25,349 --> 00:43:22,319
local dairy queen ah probably older i

1299
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:25,359
guess there's no dairy queens in the uk

1300
00:43:30,870 --> 00:43:27,599
yeah there's an equivalent or something

1301
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:30,880
i i want them though they sound fun

1302
00:43:34,630 --> 00:43:33,040
yeah i don't um i think that's the

1303
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:34,640
problem right that everything comes down

1304
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:36,000
to

1305
00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:37,599
evidence i mean

1306
00:43:42,790 --> 00:43:40,800
every in every debate i've had with uh

1307
00:43:44,710 --> 00:43:42,800
mick west even if i

1308
00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:44,720
show it's completely bogus all of his

1309
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:45,839
points

1310
00:43:49,349 --> 00:43:47,280
you know we still have to say at the end

1311
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:49,359
we need more evidence because

1312
00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:50,960
you can't you can't do much with one

1313
00:43:56,230 --> 00:43:54,400
video and at the end of the day

1314
00:43:58,069 --> 00:43:56,240
you know it could be ultimately fake

1315
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:58,079
like you know it could i don't think it

1316
00:44:01,750 --> 00:44:00,000
is like i think it's legit

1317
00:44:03,430 --> 00:44:01,760
but it could be

1318
00:44:06,069 --> 00:44:03,440
and so i yeah i'm trying to come up with

1319
00:44:08,069 --> 00:44:06,079
a plan a few plans actually to get more

1320
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:08,079
evidence i think the first thing is we

1321
00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:10,319
can just start doing a better job of

1322
00:44:13,589 --> 00:44:11,920
uh recording them

1323
00:44:15,829 --> 00:44:13,599
you know if we can

1324
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:15,839
i had a subscriber this guy nigel you

1325
00:44:21,190 --> 00:44:17,520
know he wrote on one of the comments and

1326
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:21,200
he's like hey i've videoed a ufo you

1327
00:44:24,069 --> 00:44:22,800
know what should i do with it you know

1328
00:44:26,710 --> 00:44:24,079
and i was like

1329
00:44:28,710 --> 00:44:26,720
uh we'll put the video on youtube maybe

1330
00:44:30,150 --> 00:44:28,720
just give like you know dated hap band

1331
00:44:31,990 --> 00:44:30,160
where if you can

1332
00:44:33,829 --> 00:44:32,000
uh i don't even know if i said that so

1333
00:44:36,390 --> 00:44:33,839
anyway he made this awesome video where

1334
00:44:37,910 --> 00:44:36,400
it's him capturing this ufo and and in

1335
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:37,920
the in uk

1336
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:40,800
uh and then he you know films the clock

1337
00:44:45,270 --> 00:44:43,119
uh and then tries to give a rough uh

1338
00:44:47,109 --> 00:44:45,280
location of it

1339
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:47,119
but like for these ufos that are that

1340
00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:48,480
are

1341
00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:49,920
stopping you know you hear a lot of them

1342
00:44:52,790 --> 00:44:51,040
are just sitting there not doing

1343
00:44:55,510 --> 00:44:52,800
anything if it's just sitting there for

1344
00:44:57,510 --> 00:44:55,520
like five minutes like with dave fulch

1345
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:57,520
uh and we got a couple people g all you

1346
00:45:00,790 --> 00:44:59,200
need is two two different

1347
00:45:01,829 --> 00:45:00,800
people like you are kind of talking

1348
00:45:04,870 --> 00:45:01,839
about um

1349
00:45:07,430 --> 00:45:04,880
now we can triangulate it and then if we

1350
00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:07,440
can get you know more of them

1351
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:08,880
all you really need is two but but the

1352
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:10,400
more you get the better ultimately so

1353
00:45:14,069 --> 00:45:12,240
now we could actually get some real data

1354
00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:14,079
like actually scientific data instead of

1355
00:45:16,470 --> 00:45:14,800
just

1356
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:16,480
you know i saw a video on there and it

1357
00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:18,160
looked like a drone and then people go

1358
00:45:22,309 --> 00:45:19,760
and say it's not you know we could say

1359
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:22,319
okay we nigel released this video

1360
00:45:29,430 --> 00:45:27,440
on last saturday at uh this time over

1361
00:45:30,950 --> 00:45:29,440
london you know did anyone else see

1362
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:30,960
something that looks like this and video

1363
00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:31,920
it

1364
00:45:37,990 --> 00:45:35,760
is to upload easy to upload on youtube

1365
00:45:39,510 --> 00:45:38,000
so you just upload it on youtube

1366
00:45:41,349 --> 00:45:39,520
and then if you

1367
00:45:42,550 --> 00:45:41,359
you know it's very easy to access it for

1368
00:45:44,950 --> 00:45:42,560
all of us you know i can just go to

1369
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:44,960
youtube and copy it and or video it and

1370
00:45:49,109 --> 00:45:47,520
then we can analyze it et cetera so

1371
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:49,119
just getting evidence right there is one

1372
00:45:52,069 --> 00:45:50,560
way to do it plus it's fun right i'm

1373
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:52,079
going to have nigel hopefully i'll talk

1374
00:45:57,990 --> 00:45:54,960
him into having him on uh

1375
00:46:00,069 --> 00:45:58,000
the disclosure so disclosure with vinnie

1376
00:46:01,589 --> 00:46:00,079
vinnie adams on saturday yeah i want to

1377
00:46:03,990 --> 00:46:01,599
get nigel on there he's kind of nervous

1378
00:46:05,589 --> 00:46:04,000
but i'm like come on man like uh

1379
00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:05,599
explain it i think it's cool so i think

1380
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:07,520
just get more people involved so that

1381
00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:09,359
would be one way it's just build up our

1382
00:46:12,790 --> 00:46:11,200
the evidence we can get now

1383
00:46:14,790 --> 00:46:12,800
uh and i think that is the strength of

1384
00:46:17,270 --> 00:46:14,800
youtube you know it's it's been called

1385
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:17,280
web 2.0 it's kind of how i've heard of

1386
00:46:23,349 --> 00:46:21,680
youtube uh web 1.0 is like the um

1387
00:46:25,030 --> 00:46:23,359
the dial-up stuff you have you're

1388
00:46:27,270 --> 00:46:25,040
basically going through a service you

1389
00:46:29,109 --> 00:46:27,280
know you're going through a aol and now

1390
00:46:31,190 --> 00:46:29,119
they're going to email stuff

1391
00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:31,200
um so basically we were just going there

1392
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:33,760
to get information essentially was web

1393
00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:37,920
1.0 and now web 2.0 is like the youtube

1394
00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:39,920
phenomena so essentially there's no one

1395
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:41,760
in between me and

1396
00:46:45,990 --> 00:46:43,920
you know you okay if if you're a fan

1397
00:46:47,349 --> 00:46:46,000
there's no way between me and you really

1398
00:46:49,829 --> 00:46:47,359
essentially you know i write direct to

1399
00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:49,839
you on youtube uh i post videos there's

1400
00:46:53,030 --> 00:46:51,200
nothing really stopping me from posting

1401
00:46:53,829 --> 00:46:53,040
videos yeah

1402
00:46:55,510 --> 00:46:53,839
so

1403
00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:55,520
i think that's what we're kind of doing

1404
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:57,119
is building this this large neural

1405
00:47:01,750 --> 00:46:59,520
network now uh and so

1406
00:47:02,790 --> 00:47:01,760
i think people like mick west and people

1407
00:47:04,790 --> 00:47:02,800
even

1408
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:04,800
you know like amateur astronomers or

1409
00:47:08,309 --> 00:47:06,000
whatever

1410
00:47:10,230 --> 00:47:08,319
if they can find a good point like you

1411
00:47:11,750 --> 00:47:10,240
know you need that red team right like i

1412
00:47:14,069 --> 00:47:11,760
mentioned it before like the better the

1413
00:47:15,910 --> 00:47:14,079
red team is the better the blue team

1414
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:15,920
so i mean i would appreciate if the red

1415
00:47:19,030 --> 00:47:17,040
team was a little better you know i

1416
00:47:20,790 --> 00:47:19,040
guess or or took took it serious more

1417
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:20,800
serious about

1418
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:22,079
um

1419
00:47:25,829 --> 00:47:24,000
finding the actual truth i'm not sure

1420
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:25,839
maybe that is maybe that is the aim i'm

1421
00:47:29,109 --> 00:47:27,359
not sure actually you know i've liked

1422
00:47:31,270 --> 00:47:29,119
all my interactions personally with mick

1423
00:47:34,150 --> 00:47:31,280
west actually he was professional

1424
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:34,160
he's he set a very good stream

1425
00:47:37,270 --> 00:47:35,760
you know personally i have no issues and

1426
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:37,280
that's i'm going to treat that way with

1427
00:47:39,990 --> 00:47:38,400
everybody you know

1428
00:47:41,430 --> 00:47:40,000
whatever their

1429
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:41,440
background is or what other people think

1430
00:47:44,790 --> 00:47:42,960
of them i'm going to give them a chance

1431
00:47:46,549 --> 00:47:44,800
and then and then if they you know they

1432
00:47:48,069 --> 00:47:46,559
screw screw me over or whatever then

1433
00:47:49,510 --> 00:47:48,079
then i i want to i won't give them

1434
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:49,520
another chance you know i'm not going

1435
00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:51,359
for revenge or anything

1436
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:52,880
and that's that's the way to do it chris

1437
00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:54,480
like i've said on this podcast before

1438
00:47:57,990 --> 00:47:56,079
mick's a really intelligent guy and some

1439
00:48:00,150 --> 00:47:58,000
of the work you've done on on various

1440
00:48:01,910 --> 00:48:00,160
different um other campaigns shall we

1441
00:48:04,390 --> 00:48:01,920
say uh was really good and really

1442
00:48:06,790 --> 00:48:04,400
interesting um and i completely

1443
00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:06,800
understand that both himself and other

1444
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:09,680
debunkers they can recreate certain

1445
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:12,000
scenarios pretty accurately but that

1446
00:48:16,309 --> 00:48:14,400
doesn't prove or disprove another piece

1447
00:48:18,309 --> 00:48:16,319
of video it just shows you that you can

1448
00:48:19,910 --> 00:48:18,319
make something look like something else

1449
00:48:22,470 --> 00:48:19,920
it's almost like look i could create

1450
00:48:24,309 --> 00:48:22,480
this as a hoax if i wanted that's that's

1451
00:48:26,790 --> 00:48:24,319
great you're not you're not showing me

1452
00:48:29,190 --> 00:48:26,800
that what's on that navy video isn't

1453
00:48:31,030 --> 00:48:29,200
something a little bit more exotic than

1454
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:31,040
than our best technology

1455
00:48:34,150 --> 00:48:32,400
but like you say

1456
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:34,160
maybe as something more explainable but

1457
00:48:37,349 --> 00:48:36,000
we just can't do that right now and can

1458
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:37,359
i just add chris you know when you talk

1459
00:48:41,430 --> 00:48:39,839
about those those youtube videos i i

1460
00:48:42,549 --> 00:48:41,440
love people send me them all the time

1461
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:42,559
and they'll ask me and i always send

1462
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:43,920
them on for other people to check out

1463
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:46,880
who are more analytical than myself

1464
00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:48,720
i see these videos and it's the ones

1465
00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:50,800
where there's just something in this guy

1466
00:48:55,109 --> 00:48:52,720
that you've got a camera phone and

1467
00:48:57,270 --> 00:48:55,119
that's great your camera phone's 8k but

1468
00:48:59,589 --> 00:48:57,280
it's still filming an object however far

1469
00:49:01,910 --> 00:48:59,599
away is you've shot nothing of the

1470
00:49:04,470 --> 00:49:01,920
ground there's no point of context for

1471
00:49:07,190 --> 00:49:04,480
it and you've cut it off before it's

1472
00:49:09,589 --> 00:49:07,200
left it's just an object sitting in the

1473
00:49:11,910 --> 00:49:09,599
sky or floating along and the amount of

1474
00:49:14,230 --> 00:49:11,920
times people put on a video and say we

1475
00:49:17,109 --> 00:49:14,240
saw this object it sat there for this

1476
00:49:18,950 --> 00:49:17,119
long and then it shut off really quickly

1477
00:49:20,549 --> 00:49:18,960
yes but you you've got a three minute

1478
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:20,559
video of what you're telling me is a

1479
00:49:25,109 --> 00:49:22,720
five or ten minute experience so

1480
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:25,119
straight away i'm sorry but no matter

1481
00:49:29,030 --> 00:49:27,520
how good that three minutes of that

1482
00:49:31,510 --> 00:49:29,040
object sitting is

1483
00:49:33,030 --> 00:49:31,520
i just totally disregard it because

1484
00:49:35,829 --> 00:49:33,040
you're never going to or you shouldn't

1485
00:49:36,950 --> 00:49:35,839
really ever be able to film a uap or ufo

1486
00:49:39,030 --> 00:49:36,960
arriving

1487
00:49:40,549 --> 00:49:39,040
because they're just there or they come

1488
00:49:43,349 --> 00:49:40,559
into view really quickly it would have

1489
00:49:45,430 --> 00:49:43,359
to be pure happenstance or circumstance

1490
00:49:46,870 --> 00:49:45,440
you're filming that point in the sky or

1491
00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:46,880
the sea you know if they're under the

1492
00:49:51,670 --> 00:49:49,760
water but what you can do is film it

1493
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:51,680
leaving and that for me is always a

1494
00:49:55,670 --> 00:49:53,440
frustration because

1495
00:49:58,549 --> 00:49:55,680
especially in the fake videos

1496
00:50:01,430 --> 00:49:58,559
when the object moves it tends to give

1497
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:01,440
away quite a lot of the the ropey cgi if

1498
00:50:06,390 --> 00:50:04,240
they are indeed false

1499
00:50:08,309 --> 00:50:06,400
is it possible to even

1500
00:50:09,990 --> 00:50:08,319
prove something's not a deep fake i mean

1501
00:50:12,230 --> 00:50:10,000
is it possible

1502
00:50:14,309 --> 00:50:12,240
i i think it goes towards your what you

1503
00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:14,319
were talking about with triangulation

1504
00:50:17,829 --> 00:50:15,760
you know if you could almost put

1505
00:50:19,589 --> 00:50:17,839
something orbiting the earth that would

1506
00:50:21,030 --> 00:50:19,599
give you that second point when you're

1507
00:50:23,589 --> 00:50:21,040
on the ground with the camera it would

1508
00:50:25,750 --> 00:50:23,599
be it would be awesome um

1509
00:50:28,790 --> 00:50:25,760
but it feels like a lead-in dan yes it

1510
00:50:31,030 --> 00:50:28,800
is i'm queuing you up so uh take it away

1511
00:50:33,510 --> 00:50:31,040
do you have any ideas there

1512
00:50:34,630 --> 00:50:33,520
okay yes so there's a few so that is the

1513
00:50:42,870 --> 00:50:34,640
i

1514
00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:42,880
well um

1515
00:50:46,790 --> 00:50:44,640
because everybody wants just the the

1516
00:50:48,390 --> 00:50:46,800
iphone that works right of course we all

1517
00:50:50,309 --> 00:50:48,400
wanted the iphone that just does

1518
00:50:52,069 --> 00:50:50,319
everything and you push all the buttons

1519
00:50:54,390 --> 00:50:52,079
you know you remember before whatever

1520
00:50:55,990 --> 00:50:54,400
when they come out 2004 i think look at

1521
00:50:57,910 --> 00:50:56,000
that uh

1522
00:50:59,190 --> 00:50:57,920
before the iphone everybody was trying

1523
00:51:00,790 --> 00:50:59,200
to make an iphone you know the palm

1524
00:51:02,870 --> 00:51:00,800
pilot uh they had all these other

1525
00:51:04,630 --> 00:51:02,880
devices i remember i bought some

1526
00:51:05,990 --> 00:51:04,640
some crappy one that that didn't really

1527
00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:06,000
work right and they're all waiting for

1528
00:51:10,069 --> 00:51:08,480
this perfect device the iphone

1529
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:10,079
and that's exactly what was happening in

1530
00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:11,760
the in the air force or all of the

1531
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:13,920
military i think is this live virtual

1532
00:51:16,870 --> 00:51:15,119
training

1533
00:51:18,390 --> 00:51:16,880
my whole career 20 years they tried to

1534
00:51:21,109 --> 00:51:18,400
implement it and they were not able to

1535
00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:21,119
implement it after 20 years right 20 20

1536
00:51:23,990 --> 00:51:22,960
years like what you guys been doing uh

1537
00:51:26,870 --> 00:51:24,000
at least i don't know they didn't

1538
00:51:28,950 --> 00:51:26,880
implement it at my level um that i saw

1539
00:51:31,990 --> 00:51:28,960
and and like i said you could do it

1540
00:51:33,990 --> 00:51:32,000
easily with with the equipment we had it

1541
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:34,000
took some serious effort by the by the

1542
00:51:37,349 --> 00:51:35,680
lockheed contractors they did excellent

1543
00:51:38,390 --> 00:51:37,359
work and you know

1544
00:51:40,150 --> 00:51:38,400
whatever

1545
00:51:42,230 --> 00:51:40,160
helped them and work with them they were

1546
00:51:44,790 --> 00:51:42,240
very dedicated smart people

1547
00:51:46,549 --> 00:51:44,800
but still we were able to do that

1548
00:51:48,549 --> 00:51:46,559
at no additional cost and that's really

1549
00:51:50,790 --> 00:51:48,559
through that operational thing so you

1550
00:51:52,630 --> 00:51:50,800
can really improve a lot of things by

1551
00:51:53,349 --> 00:51:52,640
just doing what you mentioned there andy

1552
00:51:55,589 --> 00:51:53,359
like

1553
00:51:57,430 --> 00:51:55,599
showing the ground right so that you can

1554
00:51:58,710 --> 00:51:57,440
see like i can get an estimate of how

1555
00:52:01,030 --> 00:51:58,720
high up

1556
00:52:03,109 --> 00:52:01,040
now and so we can get an angle up like

1557
00:52:05,829 --> 00:52:03,119
you just mentioned and if there's a

1558
00:52:07,510 --> 00:52:05,839
landmark in the scene that's even better

1559
00:52:09,750 --> 00:52:07,520
and then filming it for as long as

1560
00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:09,760
possible like you said in a date stamp

1561
00:52:12,549 --> 00:52:11,680
man put like a another cell phone in

1562
00:52:14,549 --> 00:52:12,559
front

1563
00:52:16,230 --> 00:52:14,559
just to get the time exactly you know

1564
00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:16,240
because we we do need accurate time and

1565
00:52:19,430 --> 00:52:18,240
that and then that would help prove it

1566
00:52:21,670 --> 00:52:19,440
better

1567
00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:21,680
you know and so if you just had

1568
00:52:25,990 --> 00:52:23,920
30 people do that

1569
00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:26,000
you know they can't deep fake all those

1570
00:52:29,349 --> 00:52:27,839
and then link it to some it would be

1571
00:52:30,390 --> 00:52:29,359
almost harder to stop the deep fake than

1572
00:52:32,950 --> 00:52:30,400
it is to

1573
00:52:34,630 --> 00:52:32,960
you know to create the flying thing

1574
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:34,640
essentially

1575
00:52:38,150 --> 00:52:36,400
and the only thing yeah

1576
00:52:40,390 --> 00:52:38,160
just before you come back on dan's point

1577
00:52:42,309 --> 00:52:40,400
um the the only thing for me to go the

1578
00:52:44,069 --> 00:52:42,319
other way on that one is

1579
00:52:46,790 --> 00:52:44,079
if we are talking about something that's

1580
00:52:48,549 --> 00:52:46,800
potentially non-human

1581
00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:48,559
it's really difficult to see what that

1582
00:52:54,309 --> 00:52:51,520
would look like given at the moment

1583
00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:54,319
as far as we know online there is no 100

1584
00:53:00,630 --> 00:52:57,839
percent proven here as a non-human

1585
00:53:01,910 --> 00:53:00,640
aircraft or spacecraft we don't know

1586
00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:01,920
that they wouldn't look a little bit

1587
00:53:07,670 --> 00:53:04,559
fake or would move a little bit jittery

1588
00:53:09,589 --> 00:53:07,680
or you know with some of the poor cgi

1589
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:09,599
there's there's every chance out there

1590
00:53:14,309 --> 00:53:11,040
there's a really

1591
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:14,319
good 100 real video that we've all

1592
00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:17,040
watched and totally dismissed as utter

1593
00:53:20,790 --> 00:53:19,200
nonsense it could be one of those ones

1594
00:53:23,430 --> 00:53:20,800
where it's landed in the woods and three

1595
00:53:24,950 --> 00:53:23,440
little beings walk up the ramp yeah and

1596
00:53:27,190 --> 00:53:24,960
you look and go they're just floating

1597
00:53:29,349 --> 00:53:27,200
across the grass that's terrible cgi

1598
00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:29,359
that's like playstation one graphics and

1599
00:53:33,190 --> 00:53:31,760
then it flies away and lo and behold

1600
00:53:35,349 --> 00:53:33,200
someone in the government's sitting

1601
00:53:37,510 --> 00:53:35,359
going or louis elizondo himself could be

1602
00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:37,520
sitting going ah that's the one that's

1603
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:38,640
that's the one that we should all be

1604
00:53:43,750 --> 00:53:41,200
looking at but we dismiss it because we

1605
00:53:45,910 --> 00:53:43,760
still don't know what is what is right

1606
00:53:48,470 --> 00:53:45,920
and that's i suppose part of the

1607
00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:48,480
the fun the frustration the the mystery

1608
00:53:52,549 --> 00:53:50,400
what we kind of like and hate about this

1609
00:53:53,910 --> 00:53:52,559
subject all at once

1610
00:53:56,390 --> 00:53:53,920
and that's really why you need multiple

1611
00:53:58,230 --> 00:53:56,400
angles though right because yeah you

1612
00:54:00,630 --> 00:53:58,240
know it showed in my videos if i know

1613
00:54:03,270 --> 00:54:00,640
how big the the object is

1614
00:54:05,109 --> 00:54:03,280
then i can tell how far away it is

1615
00:54:06,710 --> 00:54:05,119
but these things we have no idea right

1616
00:54:08,230 --> 00:54:06,720
we can't

1617
00:54:11,190 --> 00:54:08,240
you know there's no uh there's no

1618
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:11,200
database that i know of anyway uh and so

1619
00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:12,720
but if we get two angles now we can

1620
00:54:16,950 --> 00:54:14,960
approximate its location and then now

1621
00:54:19,109 --> 00:54:16,960
from there we can determine its size so

1622
00:54:20,549 --> 00:54:19,119
that's that's really important so i

1623
00:54:23,589 --> 00:54:20,559
think the best would

1624
00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:23,599
just the same thing look look at uh

1625
00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:25,680
look at youtube you know it's a it's a

1626
00:54:28,870 --> 00:54:27,680
giant neural network that's why we're

1627
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:28,880
able to

1628
00:54:32,390 --> 00:54:31,440
amass information so fast you know more

1629
00:54:33,430 --> 00:54:32,400
data

1630
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:33,440
has a

1631
00:54:38,470 --> 00:54:36,240
uh quality of its own what is that uh

1632
00:54:40,470 --> 00:54:38,480
mass has a quality of its own

1633
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:40,480
so if you get a certain amount of data i

1634
00:54:44,710 --> 00:54:42,000
mentioned before if it's over 30 points

1635
00:54:46,549 --> 00:54:44,720
now we can use statistical analysis

1636
00:54:49,109 --> 00:54:46,559
you know to determine could it be fake

1637
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:49,119
you know with 30 plus points given these

1638
00:54:52,789 --> 00:54:51,119
information you could actually say

1639
00:54:54,069 --> 00:54:52,799
with like mathematical certainty or not

1640
00:54:56,230 --> 00:54:54,079
certainly but close to mathematical

1641
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:56,240
certainty that it would be impossible to

1642
00:54:59,589 --> 00:54:58,079
fake this you know but that we need more

1643
00:55:01,990 --> 00:54:59,599
data so i would say first thing is that

1644
00:55:04,549 --> 00:55:02,000
like the easy kill right

1645
00:55:05,430 --> 00:55:04,559
is train people to do it better

1646
00:55:07,349 --> 00:55:05,440
um

1647
00:55:09,349 --> 00:55:07,359
and then it would be on implementing

1648
00:55:14,309 --> 00:55:09,359
better systems so i've been working with

1649
00:55:15,829 --> 00:55:14,319
martin in denmark he's for danish uapr

1650
00:55:17,589 --> 00:55:15,839
and he's basically putting together a

1651
00:55:20,710 --> 00:55:17,599
system um

1652
00:55:22,069 --> 00:55:20,720
with flir and prototyping it

1653
00:55:23,670 --> 00:55:22,079
so

1654
00:55:25,670 --> 00:55:23,680
the idea there's there's there is a

1655
00:55:28,710 --> 00:55:25,680
couple ideas but the main idea is to

1656
00:55:30,789 --> 00:55:28,720
fund whatever project we do with nfts

1657
00:55:32,789 --> 00:55:30,799
that is all for this week's show thank

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00:55:34,789 --> 00:55:32,799
you very much for listening please

1659
00:55:37,430 --> 00:55:34,799
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1662
00:55:43,829 --> 00:55:41,680
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00:55:47,910 --> 00:55:45,359
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1669
00:56:01,270 --> 00:55:59,359
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1670
00:56:04,050 --> 00:56:01,280
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1671
00:56:24,390 --> 00:56:04,060
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00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:31,110
is

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[Music]

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i jump back nearly kiss myself

1675
00:57:03,829 --> 00:57:02,150
there was something on my head and

1676
00:57:05,589 --> 00:57:03,839
everything was weird and everything was

1677
00:57:07,030 --> 00:57:05,599
red i helped out my boys they thought

1678
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:07,040
this was nice they thought it was a

1679
00:58:03,430 --> 00:57:19,410
[Music]

1680
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:09,589
is

1681
00:58:18,310 --> 00:58:11,510
it wasn't a tic tac and not quite a

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[Music]

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it's very smooth